Comments on: Why People Hate Vista (and Other Microsoft Products) http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/ Winning At Yelling Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:32:44 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Maxim Porges http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-354 Maxim Porges Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:28:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-354 Oh, I forgot to mention - I can validate Sean's "OS X gets faster" claim.<br/><br/>At home, I have an old QuickSilver G4 tower from 2002 with a 933Mhz processor and 768 MB of RAM running Leopard. It got faster with every major OS X release up to Leopard, which slowed it down a bit. <br/><br/>Still, considering this old box made it through four major OS upgrades over a seven year period, I can safely say I got my money's worth. More to the point of this blog post, none of my OS upgrades (including pst-install software updates) took longer than two hours, and I have never had an OS X upgrade/patch categorically fail on me like Vista's SP 1 did.<br/><br/>- max Oh, I forgot to mention – I can validate Sean’s “OS X gets faster” claim.

At home, I have an old QuickSilver G4 tower from 2002 with a 933Mhz processor and 768 MB of RAM running Leopard. It got faster with every major OS X release up to Leopard, which slowed it down a bit.

Still, considering this old box made it through four major OS upgrades over a seven year period, I can safely say I got my money’s worth. More to the point of this blog post, none of my OS upgrades (including pst-install software updates) took longer than two hours, and I have never had an OS X upgrade/patch categorically fail on me like Vista’s SP 1 did.

- max

]]> By: Maxim Porges http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-353 Maxim Porges Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:23:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-353 Thanks Sean, that is good to hear. If Vista was not Microsoft's last chance to prove that they can create a modern OS, then Windows 7 almost certainly is.<br/><br/>Are they expecting to charge people for Windows 7, or will there be free upgrades for Vista users as penance?<br/><br/>- max Thanks Sean, that is good to hear. If Vista was not Microsoft’s last chance to prove that they can create a modern OS, then Windows 7 almost certainly is.

Are they expecting to charge people for Windows 7, or will there be free upgrades for Vista users as penance?

- max

]]> By: seancorfield http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-352 seancorfield Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:22:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-352 I ran Vista for six months on VMware before "upgrading" it to XP and it was bearable as a test O/S. I installed Windows 7 Beta and I have to say I'm relatively impressed - compared to Vista, Windows 7 is much faster (and runs perfectly well in 512MB compared to Vista running horribly in 768MB). W7 doesn't bitch about permissions all the time. The UI is much more streamlined than Vista. It's a *huge* improvement.<br/><br/>It's still fatter and slower than XP tho'. Apple work pretty hard to make each new O/S run as fast or faster on older computers (as much as legacy support allows) whereas Microsoft seems content to just force users to buy new computers for each new O/S. I ran Vista for six months on VMware before “upgrading” it to XP and it was bearable as a test O/S. I installed Windows 7 Beta and I have to say I’m relatively impressed – compared to Vista, Windows 7 is much faster (and runs perfectly well in 512MB compared to Vista running horribly in 768MB). W7 doesn’t bitch about permissions all the time. The UI is much more streamlined than Vista. It’s a *huge* improvement.

It’s still fatter and slower than XP tho’. Apple work pretty hard to make each new O/S run as fast or faster on older computers (as much as legacy support allows) whereas Microsoft seems content to just force users to buy new computers for each new O/S.

]]> By: Maxim Porges http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-351 Maxim Porges Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:49:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-351 Michael,<br/><br/>This is true... I am keeping my eyes open for Starcraft II!<br/><br/>I picked up DOW II because it came out first, and I was surprised to see it on the shelf at GameStop when I went in to pick up Fallout III for the PS3. I didn't get Fallout III after all; I'll go back for it after I get done with DOW II.<br/><br/>- max Michael,

This is true… I am keeping my eyes open for Starcraft II!

I picked up DOW II because it came out first, and I was surprised to see it on the shelf at GameStop when I went in to pick up Fallout III for the PS3. I didn’t get Fallout III after all; I’ll go back for it after I get done with DOW II.

- max

]]> By: Maxim Porges http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-350 Maxim Porges Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:47:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-350 Sean,<br/><br/>Sorry to hear that others are suffering alongside me.<br/><br/>I did finally get SP1 it installed. I had to remove my Boot Camp partition, recreate it, install Vista from scratch, and basically install as little as possible in to it before applying the Service Pack. And by as little as possible, I mean the Boot Camp drivers, 200 MB worth of Windows updates, and the 450 MB Service Pack. Total time spent on this latest leg of the horror: 6 hours.<br/><br/>I think my favorite part was watching the .NET 3.5 Service Pack 1 update take almost an hour to install itself with no user feedback (just the typical Windows lack-of-progress bar). One thing I wish software developers would do more is give you a log you can look at while the progress bar is stuck to see what is actually happening. I always watch the log for OS X installs and it lets me know what is happening. The Event Viewer in Windows didn't do anything other than broadcast a "Windows decided you didn't need upgrade XXX" message every three or four minutes.<br/><br/>The good news is, I have Dawn of War II running and it's definitely chugging along smoother than it was without SP1. The bad news is that the Vista installation by itself is over 20 GB with nothing on it. Talk about bloatware.<br/><br/>- max Sean,

Sorry to hear that others are suffering alongside me.

I did finally get SP1 it installed. I had to remove my Boot Camp partition, recreate it, install Vista from scratch, and basically install as little as possible in to it before applying the Service Pack. And by as little as possible, I mean the Boot Camp drivers, 200 MB worth of Windows updates, and the 450 MB Service Pack. Total time spent on this latest leg of the horror: 6 hours.

I think my favorite part was watching the .NET 3.5 Service Pack 1 update take almost an hour to install itself with no user feedback (just the typical Windows lack-of-progress bar). One thing I wish software developers would do more is give you a log you can look at while the progress bar is stuck to see what is actually happening. I always watch the log for OS X installs and it lets me know what is happening. The Event Viewer in Windows didn’t do anything other than broadcast a “Windows decided you didn’t need upgrade XXX” message every three or four minutes.

The good news is, I have Dawn of War II running and it’s definitely chugging along smoother than it was without SP1. The bad news is that the Vista installation by itself is over 20 GB with nothing on it. Talk about bloatware.

- max

]]> By: Michael Sica http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-349 Michael Sica Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:58:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-349 Blizzard seems to be the only company writing games (from) the start for Windows and OSX. These PC game developers better get with it. I think I saw a stat that said like half (or more) of all laptop purchases made by college students are Apples. PC game makers have a hard enough time selling titles, you think they'd do what the console guys are finally doing - cross platform only (short of publishing deals with the platform holders). Blizzard seems to be the only company writing games (from) the start for Windows and OSX. These PC game developers better get with it. I think I saw a stat that said like half (or more) of all laptop purchases made by college students are Apples. PC game makers have a hard enough time selling titles, you think they’d do what the console guys are finally doing – cross platform only (short of publishing deals with the platform holders).

]]> By: Sean Tierney http://www.maximporges.com/2009/02/21/why-people-hate-vista-and-other-microsoft-products/comment-page-1/#comment-348 Sean Tierney Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:17:00 +0000 http://www.maximporges.com/?p=273#comment-348 "fucking atrocity" is an understatement. I had a similar experience recently when i moved from Parallels to VMware fusion. I tried migrating my VM with no success so i had to rebuild a Windows instance (albeit XP and not Shitsta) from scratch. Fortunately i snapshotted it before applying the service pack- after adding the update to get rid of the annoying bubble that popped up ever 2min to remind me, the VM ran 2x as slow. i ended up rolling the whole thing back to pre-servicepack and now it runs fine. What a steaming pile of turd code though. <br/><br/>Imagine what the scene is going to be like when they have their physical stores and their "genius bar" people have to walk customers through these crappy hour-long processes. I'll probably bring a lawn chair and some popcorn down to their store and camp out on the weekends for sheer entertainment value ;-)<br/><br/>sean “fucking atrocity” is an understatement. I had a similar experience recently when i moved from Parallels to VMware fusion. I tried migrating my VM with no success so i had to rebuild a Windows instance (albeit XP and not Shitsta) from scratch. Fortunately i snapshotted it before applying the service pack- after adding the update to get rid of the annoying bubble that popped up ever 2min to remind me, the VM ran 2x as slow. i ended up rolling the whole thing back to pre-servicepack and now it runs fine. What a steaming pile of turd code though.

Imagine what the scene is going to be like when they have their physical stores and their “genius bar” people have to walk customers through these crappy hour-long processes. I’ll probably bring a lawn chair and some popcorn down to their store and camp out on the weekends for sheer entertainment value ;-)

sean

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